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	<description>Journaling the Modern buildings and ephemera in the City of Riverside</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Tuxie&#8217;s Drive In - relegated to history??? by Cindy</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=20#comment-3073</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely LOVE your blog. I live just down the street from Tuxie’s Drive In. Its now a juice and taco stand. The food is good and they are friendly. I miss the old joint. Thankfully they have not done any updating to the place, just added Juices to the name. 

Please Please keep posting new blogs. I love that someone has captured the hidden gems in Riverside. Riverside is such a wonderful place to live at. I love that the old buildings are still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely LOVE your blog. I live just down the street from Tuxie’s Drive In. Its now a juice and taco stand. The food is good and they are friendly. I miss the old joint. Thankfully they have not done any updating to the place, just added Juices to the name. </p>
<p>Please Please keep posting new blogs. I love that someone has captured the hidden gems in Riverside. Riverside is such a wonderful place to live at. I love that the old buildings are still there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SPOTLIGHT:  CENTRAL FIRE STATION by Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=9#comment-3030</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats and more power!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up and Be Counted! by Bruce Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was lucky to visit the Seattle downtown library in 1999 and 2000, before they tore it down and replaced it. I believe it was an example of Modernism, and reminisent of the current Riverside library downtown. If we don't save these buildings, in a few decades people will wonder what happened to all the buildings from the 1960s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was lucky to visit the Seattle downtown library in 1999 and 2000, before they tore it down and replaced it. I believe it was an example of Modernism, and reminisent of the current Riverside library downtown. If we don&#8217;t save these buildings, in a few decades people will wonder what happened to all the buildings from the 1960s.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SPOTLIGHT:  CENTRAL FIRE STATION by John</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=9#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanya;
Congratulations are in order on Your success in obtaining the Fire Station downtown as a historical building from State.  Keep pushing gal.....

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanya;<br />
Congratulations are in order on Your success in obtaining the Fire Station downtown as a historical building from State.  Keep pushing gal&#8230;..</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up and Be Counted! by John Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=51#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>John Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tanya....Just stopped by to say hello and let You know that I read Your article in todays Press-Enterprise.  I also saw the video on the PE web site.  I know it's an uphill battle trying to explain and define, to the average person, what Mid-Century Architecture and Design is all about.  Most folks just look at Ya' with a blank look on their face.  Like Louie Armstrong once said; "There's bad music and then there's good music...I prefer the good music".  I still believe that Buildings and products constructed and produced in the 1950-1960 were either good design or bad design or just somewhere in between.  Just because something is associated with a particular era doesn't mean it's always worth preserving or deemed as signifcant.  Being an Architect I have a little advantage over most non-Architects.  I can judge or critique a building from an Architects point of view and experience.  If I write a some article about a building, I will explain the reason why it is noteworthy of mentioning.  I try to associate Buildings with era's, events, people, or other links.  Anyway...who am I to judge?...it's only my opinion. If You got 10 Architects in a room to judge a project, You would most likely get 15 opinions...LOL....In conclusion; Wishing You and Your husband success in Your writings and other ventures....John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tanya&#8230;.Just stopped by to say hello and let You know that I read Your article in todays Press-Enterprise.  I also saw the video on the PE web site.  I know it&#8217;s an uphill battle trying to explain and define, to the average person, what Mid-Century Architecture and Design is all about.  Most folks just look at Ya&#8217; with a blank look on their face.  Like Louie Armstrong once said; &#8220;There&#8217;s bad music and then there&#8217;s good music&#8230;I prefer the good music&#8221;.  I still believe that Buildings and products constructed and produced in the 1950-1960 were either good design or bad design or just somewhere in between.  Just because something is associated with a particular era doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s always worth preserving or deemed as signifcant.  Being an Architect I have a little advantage over most non-Architects.  I can judge or critique a building from an Architects point of view and experience.  If I write a some article about a building, I will explain the reason why it is noteworthy of mentioning.  I try to associate Buildings with era&#8217;s, events, people, or other links.  Anyway&#8230;who am I to judge?&#8230;it&#8217;s only my opinion. If You got 10 Architects in a room to judge a project, You would most likely get 15 opinions&#8230;LOL&#8230;.In conclusion; Wishing You and Your husband success in Your writings and other ventures&#8230;.John</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1st Annual Riverside Cultural Heritage Board Practicum by tanya</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=53#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>tanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I love Longstreth's books on the automobile and commercial space!  I'm working on a project in LA right now and it is great to be able to read his books for work. It's amazing just how early cars changed urban space in LA, what with multistory parking garages, traffic jams, and the growing primacy of east/west auto corridors.  But it's also important to remember that many square miles of LA were developed through the once-extensive Pacific Electric Red and Yellow Cars.  Wilshire Boulevard runs right through my survey area, and it's been interesting to read through the LA Times archives how hotly debated the improvements to Wilshire were in the 1920s.  I like that although Gaylord Wilshire refused to allow streetcars to run on his grand boulevard, the 1990s expansions of the Metro Red Line will now get you all the way to Vermont Avenue along the Wilshire alignment before dumping you off on a bus route.

Certainly post-WWII suburban spaces can embody the three good criteria you mention.  To be completely fair about my example, I live in a streetcar suburb a mile or two from the Magnolia Center (and a mile or two from downtown).  My husband bikes to work there every day.  The area is pedestrian and bike-friendly to several thousand surrounding Riverside residents living in neighborhoods constructed from the 1920s-1960s, though it is still very suburban in scale and separation of uses.  I like it that way and would hate to see the area insensitively densified.  Is there room for higher commercial and even residential density?  I think so, but the suburban character that makes the area such a pleasure to live, work, and shop in must must must be preserved.  

The more difficult examples are more like the 1967 subdivision I grew up in, where there is a profound separation of uses that challenge anyone without a car to accomplish basic feats of commerce.  I remember as a kid pedaling several hilly miles to buy candy at the nearest drugstore.  What will be fascinating to figure out is whether/how we can make those kinds of post-WWII suburbs more "urban" in function while retaining  the suburban character integral to their historic integrity (assuming we're talking about historic examples).

Thanks very much for your thoughtful post.  This is the kind of discourse that I think will really help tease out these important issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I love Longstreth&#8217;s books on the automobile and commercial space!  I&#8217;m working on a project in LA right now and it is great to be able to read his books for work. It&#8217;s amazing just how early cars changed urban space in LA, what with multistory parking garages, traffic jams, and the growing primacy of east/west auto corridors.  But it&#8217;s also important to remember that many square miles of LA were developed through the once-extensive Pacific Electric Red and Yellow Cars.  Wilshire Boulevard runs right through my survey area, and it&#8217;s been interesting to read through the LA Times archives how hotly debated the improvements to Wilshire were in the 1920s.  I like that although Gaylord Wilshire refused to allow streetcars to run on his grand boulevard, the 1990s expansions of the Metro Red Line will now get you all the way to Vermont Avenue along the Wilshire alignment before dumping you off on a bus route.</p>
<p>Certainly post-WWII suburban spaces can embody the three good criteria you mention.  To be completely fair about my example, I live in a streetcar suburb a mile or two from the Magnolia Center (and a mile or two from downtown).  My husband bikes to work there every day.  The area is pedestrian and bike-friendly to several thousand surrounding Riverside residents living in neighborhoods constructed from the 1920s-1960s, though it is still very suburban in scale and separation of uses.  I like it that way and would hate to see the area insensitively densified.  Is there room for higher commercial and even residential density?  I think so, but the suburban character that makes the area such a pleasure to live, work, and shop in must must must be preserved.  </p>
<p>The more difficult examples are more like the 1967 subdivision I grew up in, where there is a profound separation of uses that challenge anyone without a car to accomplish basic feats of commerce.  I remember as a kid pedaling several hilly miles to buy candy at the nearest drugstore.  What will be fascinating to figure out is whether/how we can make those kinds of post-WWII suburbs more &#8220;urban&#8221; in function while retaining  the suburban character integral to their historic integrity (assuming we&#8217;re talking about historic examples).</p>
<p>Thanks very much for your thoughtful post.  This is the kind of discourse that I think will really help tease out these important issues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1st Annual Riverside Cultural Heritage Board Practicum by Richard Layman</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=53#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a center city chauvinist myself, but the issue really comes down to three things:

1.  historic architecture
2.  pedestrian centric (and) urban design more generally (how cities were laid out during the Walking City and Transit City eras)
3.  history, identity and authenticity.

So you can have this in postwar places.  But you might not necessarily have walkable places.  Those are different issues.

Anyway, you likely would appreciate the NR bulletin on the residential suburb (not to mention the books by Richard Longstreth on the development of automobile-centri places--his two books on Los Angeles).

The NR bulletin is particularly well written:

http://www.nps.gov/history/nR/publications/bulletins/suburbs/index.htm

Note also that center cities have suburban neighborhoods, trolley and railroad "suburbs" as well as areas developed during the time of the automobile.  I live in such a neighborhood within DC myself, although I used to live in the more typical rowhouse neighborhoods in the core of the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a center city chauvinist myself, but the issue really comes down to three things:</p>
<p>1.  historic architecture<br />
2.  pedestrian centric (and) urban design more generally (how cities were laid out during the Walking City and Transit City eras)<br />
3.  history, identity and authenticity.</p>
<p>So you can have this in postwar places.  But you might not necessarily have walkable places.  Those are different issues.</p>
<p>Anyway, you likely would appreciate the NR bulletin on the residential suburb (not to mention the books by Richard Longstreth on the development of automobile-centri places&#8211;his two books on Los Angeles).</p>
<p>The NR bulletin is particularly well written:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nps.gov/history/nR/publications/bulletins/suburbs/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nps.gov/history/nR/publications/bulletins/suburbs/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Note also that center cities have suburban neighborhoods, trolley and railroad &#8220;suburbs&#8221; as well as areas developed during the time of the automobile.  I live in such a neighborhood within DC myself, although I used to live in the more typical rowhouse neighborhoods in the core of the city.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up and Be Counted! by gedward</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=51#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>gedward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, the very sentiment expressed today with regards to demolishing and/or significantly altering the current building's striking, modern architecture appears to be quite similar to that expressed nearly 50 years ago when the original Carnegie was torn down. The question is, will we repeat the same mistake? We hope not.

Thus, we agree with Tanya, now is the time to speak up and show support for keeping the architectural style of the existing library -- before it's too late. With that said, probably the most effective and wide-reaching method in helping sway public opinion is the good old fashioned &lt;a href="http://www.pe.com/localnews/opinion/letters_form.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;letter to the editor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, the very sentiment expressed today with regards to demolishing and/or significantly altering the current building&#8217;s striking, modern architecture appears to be quite similar to that expressed nearly 50 years ago when the original Carnegie was torn down. The question is, will we repeat the same mistake? We hope not.</p>
<p>Thus, we agree with Tanya, now is the time to speak up and show support for keeping the architectural style of the existing library &#8212; before it&#8217;s too late. With that said, probably the most effective and wide-reaching method in helping sway public opinion is the good old fashioned <a href="http://www.pe.com/localnews/opinion/letters_form.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>letter to the editor</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up and Be Counted! by tanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer you both (sort of), I don't think there is a set time-frame yet on the expansion for either the library or the museum.  The separate expansion project is WAY more expensive than the joint-use project, so even though the expansion has been approved in concept by the library, it's not clear where the additional funds will come from to make the expansion happen.  Besides that, they will have to go through an environmental review process, which (among other environmental issues) SHOULD include a Historic Resources Assessment of the Library building.  The project will likely require an Environmental Impact Report (EIR), and once they get to that conclusion there should be a scoping session where the public can attend and comment on the proposed scope of the study.  After the consultant prepares the draft EIR there is a 45 day public comment period where you can read their conclusions and make comments, which they must incorporate and address in the final EIR.  The final EIR is presented to the CHB, Planning Commission, and finally the City Council with the City staff's recommendation on adopting it.  Once the final EIR is certified by the City Council it's pretty close to a done deal, unless someone sues the City. 

In short, environmental review is complicated and generally takes about a year to complete.  If there are delays for any other reason (such as funding or continuances by the commissions overseeing the process) it could take longer.  I will follow the process and post on this website when new steps in the process take place, explain (the best I can) what is going on, and what you can do to make yourself heard.

Right now, I think it's important to get the people who are crafting this project used to the concept that the main library is a historic landmark and make the reasoning clear and compelling.  I've noticed that it is a lot easier to convince a person/group/City to re-imagine their project in the beginning, before any one vision has a chance to solidify.    Solutions that involve drastic changes to the plan are less likely to become "obstructions," and you can stay away from the "this project or no project" false dilemma that often gets thrown at people who wait for the public comment period to raise concerns.  

I love the idea of featuring a parody for the library in your friend's 'zine.  Now is a great time for people to be up on what's at stake downtown.  Don't forget that this project also endangers the Downtown Fire Station also - they want to knock that gem down for McMissioninn-style retail space and parking.  You can also sound off with the Press Enterprise, the City Council, the Mayor, and the Library Board.  My suggestions for contacting them is to be courteous and clear - they will generally dismiss angry, disorganized comments, even if it brings up a good point.     

Thanks for reading!  I'll do my best to keep you posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer you both (sort of), I don&#8217;t think there is a set time-frame yet on the expansion for either the library or the museum.  The separate expansion project is WAY more expensive than the joint-use project, so even though the expansion has been approved in concept by the library, it&#8217;s not clear where the additional funds will come from to make the expansion happen.  Besides that, they will have to go through an environmental review process, which (among other environmental issues) SHOULD include a Historic Resources Assessment of the Library building.  The project will likely require an Environmental Impact Report (EIR), and once they get to that conclusion there should be a scoping session where the public can attend and comment on the proposed scope of the study.  After the consultant prepares the draft EIR there is a 45 day public comment period where you can read their conclusions and make comments, which they must incorporate and address in the final EIR.  The final EIR is presented to the CHB, Planning Commission, and finally the City Council with the City staff&#8217;s recommendation on adopting it.  Once the final EIR is certified by the City Council it&#8217;s pretty close to a done deal, unless someone sues the City. </p>
<p>In short, environmental review is complicated and generally takes about a year to complete.  If there are delays for any other reason (such as funding or continuances by the commissions overseeing the process) it could take longer.  I will follow the process and post on this website when new steps in the process take place, explain (the best I can) what is going on, and what you can do to make yourself heard.</p>
<p>Right now, I think it&#8217;s important to get the people who are crafting this project used to the concept that the main library is a historic landmark and make the reasoning clear and compelling.  I&#8217;ve noticed that it is a lot easier to convince a person/group/City to re-imagine their project in the beginning, before any one vision has a chance to solidify.    Solutions that involve drastic changes to the plan are less likely to become &#8220;obstructions,&#8221; and you can stay away from the &#8220;this project or no project&#8221; false dilemma that often gets thrown at people who wait for the public comment period to raise concerns.  </p>
<p>I love the idea of featuring a parody for the library in your friend&#8217;s &#8216;zine.  Now is a great time for people to be up on what&#8217;s at stake downtown.  Don&#8217;t forget that this project also endangers the Downtown Fire Station also - they want to knock that gem down for McMissioninn-style retail space and parking.  You can also sound off with the Press Enterprise, the City Council, the Mayor, and the Library Board.  My suggestions for contacting them is to be courteous and clear - they will generally dismiss angry, disorganized comments, even if it brings up a good point.     </p>
<p>Thanks for reading!  I&#8217;ll do my best to keep you posted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up and Be Counted! by La Chingona</title>
		<link>http://www.modernriverside.com/wordpress/?p=51#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>La Chingona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tanya, 

Man, I wish I was already in Riverside, but I'm doing what I can from here.  As a 31 year old Riverside native, living in DC, and an AVID architecture buff, I can say that Kathy A's remarks were way off the mark.  I am not a boomer (quite far from it thank you) and I can say that MANY in my generation fall precisely into the category you describe - this is the architecture of our youth and our hometown.  Mid-Century Modern IS Riverside.  

I don't understand the southern California psychosis that everything over 50 years old is "BAD" and needs to be put down like an old dog.  The library can be modernized AND renovated without losing its unique face.  

I've propositioned a friend of mine who publishes and distributes a local 'zine, called Digress, about a "Save The Clock Tower" parody edition: "Save the Mid-Century Modern Downtown Library".  Still really rough, but would you be interested in getting the world out through the underground?  Don't underestimate the power of the punk kids. 

How much time do we have?  Last I heard, the committee recommended to the Council that the Chinese pavillion be saved, but no real word on the facade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tanya, </p>
<p>Man, I wish I was already in Riverside, but I&#8217;m doing what I can from here.  As a 31 year old Riverside native, living in DC, and an AVID architecture buff, I can say that Kathy A&#8217;s remarks were way off the mark.  I am not a boomer (quite far from it thank you) and I can say that MANY in my generation fall precisely into the category you describe - this is the architecture of our youth and our hometown.  Mid-Century Modern IS Riverside.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the southern California psychosis that everything over 50 years old is &#8220;BAD&#8221; and needs to be put down like an old dog.  The library can be modernized AND renovated without losing its unique face.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve propositioned a friend of mine who publishes and distributes a local &#8216;zine, called Digress, about a &#8220;Save The Clock Tower&#8221; parody edition: &#8220;Save the Mid-Century Modern Downtown Library&#8221;.  Still really rough, but would you be interested in getting the world out through the underground?  Don&#8217;t underestimate the power of the punk kids. </p>
<p>How much time do we have?  Last I heard, the committee recommended to the Council that the Chinese pavillion be saved, but no real word on the facade.</p>
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